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Wednesday, October 25, 2006

Can "Pro-Choicers" Be Christian Brethren?


I tuned in to Glenn Beck during his 10:am hour today and heard something that shouldn’t surprise me in today’s day and age, but horrified me nonetheless. He reported on a story out of the U.K. where a hospital is incinerating aborted fetuses along with the rest of their medical refuse. As if that wasn’t disturbing enough, he quoted a woman who received an abortion from there:

I am furious and very hurt. Imagine my horror when I discovered that my baby was incinerated in the same furnace as the hospital rubbish.

(Okay, so I don’t need to waste my time stating the obvious hypocrisy of what this woman is saying.)

I don’t want to exhaust my time and energy on something we’ve been debating since last century; it should be obvious what side I’m on in this battle. I expect something as evil as abortion to exist in a world where Satan is constantly on the prowl. But why do so many of our Christian brethren turn a blind eye to it? I just don’t understand when I hear the following phrase by a self-proclaimed Christian: I don’t think abortion is right and I would never have one, but I don’t think we should deny those who want an abortion the right to have one. Why not? Women can be arrested for prostitution or doing drugs. Heck, they can even be arrested for smoking a cigarette in Omaha!

I expect those kinds of comments from the people of this world, not from followers of Christ. The other day I was chatting with my neighbor—an LCMS pastor’s wife—about some emails I had sent out to her and others regarding the stem cell issue we’ll be voting on here in Missouri. We were talking about our friends that have very differing opinions from us (I’m staunchly opposed to the amendment, in case I had to clear that up for anyone). When talking about one of my friends, she asked “is she a Christian”? “Well, yeah…but, I guess so…sure she is…I mean, I think of her as one…but…” and I started wondering why all of a sudden I had to try to defend my friend’s faith for her because her beliefs fall so short of what I would expect a follower of Christ to believe and promote. I came back with a comment like, but our salvation is secured by Christ’s death and resurrection—by God’s grace, through faith in Christ Jesus—not whether we’re pro-life or pro-choice, right?

So I ask you, who else has struggled with these questions:

Can you be pro-choice and still be a Christian?

Should pro-life Christians cease fellowship with pro-choice Christians?

Can we make exceptions for our moral beliefs if it infringes on our rights as Americans?

Now, deep down I know the answers to all of these. I know what scripture says about them (the second I had to look up because I couldn’t remember—1 Cor. 5), so shouldn’t that settle it? It should, but too often I find that I want outside input, too. Horrible, I know. I can imagine that if you’re Reformed you’d say I shouldn’t be friends with a pro-choicer; if you’re Baptist, you’d say what an awesome opportunity to evangelize; if you’re Methodist, you’d tell me to welcome diversity of opinions with open arms, doors, minds, whatever. I’d like responses to my first question of who else has struggled/is struggling with these questions and how they overcame it or hope to overcome it. And from a Christian homeschooling parent’s point of view: how in the world do you explain abortion and pro-choicers in the Church to your kids? The abortion part isn’t that hard—you teach your kids about sin, Satan, and the evil that exists in the world. But how do you explain why some Christians accept it the way they do?

...you should not associate with a person who calls himself a brother but is immoral or greedy or worships idols or is a slanderer or a drunkard or a thief. Don't even sit down to eat with such a person. After all, it is none of my business to judge outsiders. God will judge them. But should you not judge the members of your own fellowship? As the scripture says, "Remove the evil man from your group". 1 Cor. 5:11-13 (TEV)

7 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's a tough one, but I try to teach my kids that there are wolves (in sheep's clothing) everywhere...even in the church. This is slightly off subject, but there are people who profess to be Christians not only thinking, but doing evil things (I will give examples if anyone wants, but you can probably think of enought that the media has made a big deal about). I'm not saying that the people you're thinking of are not Christians, that is between them and God. Our job as parents is to protect and inform our children...appropriate to their age level. Brainwashing, band-wagoning and other forms of propaganda are very persuasive. Good people can be led to believe bad things. God has given us the instruction manual to check all the facts. We believe the Bible is God's word...that means everything, not open to interpretation. Not everyone believes that. Give them the facts (again to their age level) and explain that God gave us free will and some people chose to use that even in things like abortion.

8:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for commenting, Mrs. Ononymous (too funny!)...the "wolves in sheep's clothing" is a good one I haven't thought of. Since I have boys (and really I'm only talking about Sam here since the other two are too young), I usually use the "good guys/bad guys" terminology--which I know would drive a lot of PC people nuts if they knew who is on my "bad guy list" (like the other day when Sam wanted to know "who's that man?" when I was reading the news--Amadinajad (sp?)). I certainly won't tell my kids (when they're old enough, of course) that terrorists are "misunderstood" or just fighting for their cause--they're bad guys. But for some reason I do have problems when thinking just how "bad" I'll paint the picture when talking about people who get abortions or who support abortion. It's just sad that we even have to talk about this.

After rereading my post, I really answer my own question in the last couple sentences....I'll teach my kids about sin and Satan to explain abortion, and the same should be used to explain pro-choice Christians. Being Christian certainly doesn't make us immune to falling into Satan's traps. Praise be to God for our Savior!

And your comment about brainwashing and band-wagoning: I've got a lot on my mind I've been wanting to write about regarding indoctrination...once I get it all figured out in my head I can't wait to let loose on that subject! (and just to give a heads-up...I don't think it's all bad; I strongly feel that's what we Christian parents are called to do with our kids at home!)

10:00 AM  
Blogger Tony said...

Headmistress,

I really like your blog alias…I think I might suggest it to my wife in our homeschooling enterprise. Do you mind? ;-)

You ask some thought-provoking questions, hope you don’t mind if I respond. Many of the questions are hairy, and cannot be afforded simple yes/no answers. I will try to be brief, not one of my strong suits!

Can you be pro-choice and still be a Christian? I honestly do not think so, because abortion is contrary to Scriptural teaching. I know we can split hairs about the life/health of the mother, gross abnormalities, etc., which is the classic return argument from those who support pro-choice; nevertheless, abortion is purely antithetical to what the Bible teaches. God is a God of life, not death and destruction, so neither should those who carry His Name be authors of death and destruction.

Can a woman who has had an abortion get saved? Absolutely! Can a woman who is a Christian have an abortion? I hope not, but I am sure it has happened. In my experience it has not, but I have read where Christian women who have had abortions are cripplingly emotionally and spiritually traumatized by it. So I hope I don’t sound as if I just contradicted myself, but your questions simply do not have yes or no answers. They need qualification…

I think that if you hold a pro-choice stand and claim Christ as Savior, God will pass judgment; But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death Revelation 21:8.

After salvation, God allows a time for erroneous beliefs to be filtered through your new lenses, so to speak, and time to work through and adopt a Biblical worldview, jettisoning that which is contrary to that worldview. I think that an individual might hold a pro-choice position shortly after salvation, but if one is truly led by the Spirit, that person won’t continue to hold that position.

Should pro-life Christians cease fellowship with pro-choice Christians? This is assuming the answer to question #1 is “yes”, correct? ;-) The only time I think Christians should break fellowship with other Christians is blatant, unrepentant sin, per 1 Corinthians 5:10-11, as you quoted in your post. There has to be grace, and we may be the means by which such an individual as you outline receives and understands the grace of God. So, if the pro-choice “Christian” is striving to work through his or her stand, then I think there should be a latitude of grace. If not, well, then, 1 Cor. 5:10-11…

Can we make exceptions for our moral beliefs if it infringes on our rights as Americans? I am not quite certain what you are asking in this question, but in the case of abortion, it is certainly a “right” that an American woman can have an abortion. If I am missing the point, what moral beliefs exactly are you referring to that infringe on our rights as Americans?

And as far as the last concern in your post, how in the world do you explain abortion and pro-choicers in the Church to your kids? The short answer: you don’t. I would not introduce my children to the horrific atrocity that abortion is until such time as they can adequately understand it; well into their teens. All of my children are nine and under, and I would in no way introduce them to these things, unless it has come up in another context, which prayerfully I can shelter them from that happening. Then I would be brief and gentle and explain that there are some things that they just will not and cannot understand until they are older.

Fortunately, my children have always trusted my judgment in cases like this and have never pressed the envelope on me. Part of good sheltering is guarding them from such.
Thanks for the post and allowing my participation. I hope my answers make sense and I look forward to your reply. Blessings multiplied upon you and your family.

Sincerely,
Tony

10:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks so much, Tony, for stopping by and commenting! I hope you don’t mind me sticking your blog on my “links” column as I’ve been enjoying yours for the past couple weeks…and of course you have my blessing to pass along the blog name to your wife—I’m glad I found the correct word after I was incorrectly calling myself “headmaster” the first week or so of our blog!

First of all, I should let you know that I tend to ramble and I have a really hard time staying on task with things—especially my thoughts. So if people think it’s bad in my writing, they should see how bad it gets inside my head—so frustrating!

Your comments were great and I’m thrilled to have your input. My post was a result of my anger, frustration, disappointment and sadness after hearing the story I mentioned early in the post, the controversy over the stem cell debate here in Missouri, and an email I received from a life-long friend asking me to not send her anymore political emails, as it is best for us to not discuss politics if we are to maintain our friendship (her opinion). Pile that on top of my post-partum hormones and you get one moody woman!

Can you be pro-choice and still be a Christian? As hard as it is for me to imagine a follower of Christ having this stance, I think it’s possible. I’ll use part of Misty’s comment from above: Brainwashing, band-wagoning and other forms of propaganda are very persuasive. Good people can be led to believe bad things. I don’t think all “good people” are Christians, of course, but obviously even those filled with the Spirit fall into Satan’s traps….but if one is truly led by the Spirit, that person won’t continue to hold that position. Yeah, that’s the thought that kept going through my mind when thinking about all of this…I think my first question is probably way over my head for me to ever be satisfied with any answer. So, like all things I don’t understand and probably never fully will, I’ll store it in the corner of my mind with all the other ones that fall into this category: does my salvation depend on me understanding this? No…praise God for Jesus and move along, Jill.

Can we make exceptions for our moral beliefs if it infringes on our rights as Americans?
I guess this question stemmed from comments I’ve heard pro-choice Christians say before along the lines of this: I think abortion is morally wrong, but I don’t think we should take that right away from women…meaning, basically, that if a vote came to the people, women’s rights would trump God’s word so we can have a freer America. I don’t hold this view, but I know many Christians think they’ll be imposing their religion on fellow Americans by letting their moral beliefs bleed into state affairs—which, according to them, is a bad thing (not “cool”, I guess).

After salvation, God allows a time for erroneous beliefs to be filtered through your new lenses, so to speak, and time to work through and adopt a Biblical worldview, jettisoning that which is contrary to that worldview. This explains me…well, mostly, although I’m guessing we would have some slight theological differences of opinion on “getting saved” (that term isn’t as common with us Presbyterians). But I am definitely going through a process right now of filtering stuff through my lenses and am working harder to adopt a stricter Biblical worldview in hopes of suffocating my old worldview. It’s too bad it can’t happen overnight! But my prayer for my husband and I is to learn as much as we can about the Bible in order to better instruct those three precious boys we’ve decided to homeschool. The first step we took was leaving the PC(USA) after finding a wonderful PCA church family, and what a difference that has made in our spiritual lives. God has put us in the midst of some wonderful mature Christians at church, and I would’ve never guessed I’d find so many more on the blogosphere!

There has to be grace, and we may be the means by which such an individual as you outline receives and understands the grace of God. This is something I needed to hear…I’m always tempted to give up on what seems like a lost cause, but then reminded by something or someone that I shouldn’t. Thanks.

And as far as the last concern in your post, how in the world do you explain abortion and pro-choicers in the Church to your kids? The short answer: you don’t. Thanks for the reminder. Naturally I wouldn’t dare tell my boys anything about this for a long time, but I have been known to tell my oldest things that he’s probably not mentally ready to grasp yet (like what happens to dead fish—oops)! Keeping things more age-appropriate is definitely not my strong suit…thankfully I’m blessed with a husband and good friends who try to keep me in line there! I do worry, however, about being asked before I’m ready with an answer. My oldest (Sam—age 4 ½ ) is very bright and is always coming up with questions that I just don’t know how to answer. I suppose I’m just trying to prepare myself for the day when it comes up. …and I would in no way introduce them to these things, unless it has come up in another context, which prayerfully I can shelter them from that happening. My prayer as well, hence our decision to homeschool!

Thanks again for your comments and I look forward to reading more on the metaphors of the Church!

In Christ,
Jill

8:24 PM  
Blogger relieveddebtor said...

I'm a day late on this, but I would just say that this is that place of liminality where we have to be true to the faith above all else, but we also have to watch being self-righteous (which you are not at all being in your post!). I know what Paul is saying, but how can we speak against abortion if we don't engage with those who support it? I believe we start by praying for them, and remember that progress has been made on this front in America. The UK is a different situation, but the fact that abortion is harder for anyone to defend is a good sign.

6:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the comment, RD. You make a great point: be true to the faith above all else, but we also have to watch being self-righteous. That's a big fear of mine, because I can just imagine my pro-choice friends rolling their eyes at me, thinking I'm so not with it and enlightened as them. It doesn't bother me when some joe schmoe elitist thinks that about me, but it sure does when a close friend does! There are some things I can "agree to disagree" with when it comes to my friends, but this is a hard one for me to get a handle on.

The deciding factor for me when choosing to leave the PC(USA) was reading what the General Assembly said about abortion: The committee [on problem pregnancies and abortion] agreed that there are no biblical texts that speak expressly to the topic of abortion, but that taken in their totality the Holy Scriptures are filled with messages that advocate respect for the woman and child before and after birth. Are they reading a different Bible than me?

7:27 PM  
Blogger relieveddebtor said...

Don't worry, you balance defending the faith with respect for others exceptionally well, especially on this issue. The ELCA isn't much better, allowing abortion in certain cases. It just seems that if life is valuable, all life, then why do we make exceptions for abortion? This is our great Controversy, "what does the Bible say anyway?"

2:06 PM  

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